Agency-listedUSFS · dispersedFree
Nor Pac 4
Drive-up · U.S. Forest Service · MT · 47.41523, -115.57162
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Ask about this camp →U.S. Forest Service lists this site. On most of their ground you can camp away from developed sites pretty much anywhere — so treat this as a known-good spot, not the only one allowed. The unit sets stay limits and how far off road and water you must be. What changes is conditions — roads, gates, closures, fire rules. Check those with the unit before you commit to the drive.
USGS topo — contours & terrain
Aerial — USGS / NAIP
Weather outlook — at Nor Pac 4
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Live NWS area forecast (~2.5 km grid, not elevation-corrected). Camp sits at 3,553 ft.
Fire & smoke — around Nor Pac 4NIFC · AirNow
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Active wildfires from NIFC (within ~50 mi); air quality from AirNow. Always confirm current fire restrictions with the managing office before you go.
Everything you need — measured from Nor Pac 4 · Lolo National Forest · MT
Straight-line miles · bearings approx · roads run longer
Nearest of each
- FFuel8 mi
- GGrocery8 mi
- @Mail11 mi
- DDump15 mi
- RxPharmacy17 mi
- HHardware17 mi
- OOutfitter17 mi
- LLaundry17 mi
- MMechanic18 mi
- EVEV fast charger24 mi
- +Urgent care28 mi
- PPropane44 mi
- ShShower58 mi
- WWater59 mi
≤30 mi30–4545+water
The read: water is a real 59-mi drive, fuel & food sit about 8 mi out.
One dot per need — the nearest of each kind, straight-line from camp. Places from OpenStreetMap (© OpenStreetMap contributors); the EV fast charger from the US DOE station locator. Open in Google Maps ↗
The site — Nor Pac 4
Access
Drive-up
Land
U.S. Forest Service · dispersed
Elevation
3,553 ft
State
MT
Coordinates
47.41523, -115.57162
Cost
Free
Nearby & resupply — around Nor Pac 4 · Lolo National Forest · MT (OpenStreetMap)
- Nearest townSaltese · ~2.8 mi
- Drinking waternone within 10 mi
- FuelFuel · ~8.2 mi
- Propane / LPGnone within 31 mi
- Dump station~15.2 mi
- GroceriesSilver Express · ~8.2 mi
- PharmacyKohal's · ~16.8 mi
- Hospital / clinicHospital · ~27.5 mi
- HardwareAce Hardware · ~16.8 mi
EV charging — from Nor Pac 4 · Lolo National Forest · MT — nearest public DC fast & Level 2 (US DOE station data)
- Nearest public DC fast charger23.5 mi straight-line E — St. Regis, MT - Tesla Supercharger (at a rest stop) · Tesla · NACS (Tesla) · 12 fast ports listed · listed open, last confirmed by AFDC 2026-06-18 · hours: 24 hours daily. NACS partner enabled. · directions
- Public DC fast stations within reach2 within 25 mi · 5 within 50 · 76 within 100 · 90 within 150
- Nearest listing CCS23.6 mi — St. Regis, MT, St. Regis
- Nearest listing CHAdeMO30.0 mi — Walmart 4249 (Smelterville, ID), Smelterville
- Nearest public Level 2 (J1772)59.3 mi — The Coeur D'Alene Resort - Tesla Destination (at a hotel) · Tesla Destination · J1772, NACS (Tesla) · 4 Level 2 ports listed · listed open, last confirmed by AFDC 2026-08-27 · hours: 24 hours daily. Open to all vehicles.
- Also listed, not counted aboveNACS-only Level 2 — Alpine Falls Ranch - Tesla Destination, Superior, 30.3 mi · NACS (Tesla) · hours: 24 hours daily. Open to Teslas only. · AFDC lists it “Free”
Level 2, restricted access — 50,000 Silver Dollar Inn, Saltese, 8.3 mi · J1772 · hours: 24 hours daily; for guests only · AFDC lists it “Free” - Pricing at the fast chargernot listed
- Power (kW)not listed by AFDC — “DC fast” spans roughly 24 to 350 kW, so ask the network.
- Read this honestlyStraight-line miles, like every distance on this site. Roads run longer than this, and you have to get back. We know where a charger is listed. We don’t know if it works today, how fast it is, or the road miles. Check the network before you commit.
Snapshot 2026-09-16 · AFDC record 302203 · US DOE Alternative Fuels Data Center
Nearby restrooms — around Nor Pac 4 · Lolo National Forest · MT — pit toilets, restrooms & rest areas (government data)
- Highway rest areaDena Mora WB · ~2.5 mi W
- Highway rest areaDena Mora EB · ~2.7 mi W
- Flush restroomSavenac West Cottage · ~8.5 mi E · USFS
- Flush restroomHistoric Savanac Nursery · ~8.5 mi E · USFS
Coming out here — Nor Pac 4 · Lolo National Forest · MT
- No surface water within about a mile and a half in our records — which is not proof there is none, only that we found none. Plan to carry washing water as well as drinking water.
- Assume no services at all. Most dispersed camping in a national forest has none: no tap, no power, no dump, often no toilet. Everything you need, you bring.
- Power: Dave carries his own — batteries or solar. A generator will run your rig and it is also the thing everybody camped near you can hear.
- Getting online: Dave recommends Starlink. He has had it since SpaceX introduced it, used it for four years living on the road, and it delivers as promised — several hundred nights out, and he can count on one hand the places he could not connect. The cable on his unit runs 150 feet, which is usually all it takes to find enough sky. Starlink → Referral link — Starlink pays Dave $100 in cash if you sign up through it, and that money funds this site and the next trip. It costs you nothing and does not change the recommendation.
Open Nor Pac 4 elsewhere
Other camps near Nor Pac 4
If this one is full, gated or washed out.
- Nor Pac 3~0.2 mi
- Nor-Pac 2B~0.6 mi
- Hiawatha 5~1.0 mi
- Hiawatha 4~1.1 mi
The unit that manages Nor Pac 4
Stay limits, road closures and fire restrictions at Nor Pac 4 are set by Lolo National Forest, not by the campsite — check there before you go.
Snow, and when this opens
The nearest automatic snow station is Lookout at 5,180 ft, about 7 miles away. It sits about 1,627 ft higher than this camp, so treat it as a guide rather than a reading for this spot. We do not repeat a depth here, because any number we stored would be stale by the time you read it — the station publishes today's.
How we know this — Nor Pac 4
Source
U.S. Forest Service recreation data
Confidence
Likely — The record is good enough to put a pin on, but thin in places. Treat the details as a starting point, not gospel.
How it was placed
USFS/BLM authoritative: free & dispersed. Access not field-checked (assumed drive-up).
EV chargers
US DOE Alternative Fuels Data Center station locator, snapshot 2026-09-16. Straight-line miles to the nearest public, open, unrestricted station; restricted and planned units are shown but never counted.
Field check
On the agency's books. The land manager inventoried this site, so its existence is not in question — current conditions are. Nobody from here has camped it recently.
What we don’t know about Nor Pac 4
A land record can put you within a few meters of a spot. It cannot tell you any of this — so check it yourself, and treat anything below as the open question it is.
- Road surface & last-mile access
- How many rigs actually fit
- Cell coverage by carrier
- Seasonal & winter access
- Current fire restrictions
- Whether any water here is drinkable
- Shade & wind exposure
- Noise and who else shows up
- Whether a listed EV charger works today, or the road miles to it
Before you go — Nor Pac 4
Water on public land →What “dispersed” means here →Forest road numbers →Leave no trace →All field notes →
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