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Queer Lake Designated Campsite [DEC #19404] (Pigeon Lake Wilderness)

Drive-up · New York State Dept. of Environmental Conservation · NY · 43.81338, -74.80645
We haven't personally camped here. Everything below is pulled from public land data, USGS maps and OpenStreetMap — a real place on New York State Dept. of Environmental Conservation land, but not field-checked by us. Confirm road conditions, current access, stay limits and fire restrictions before you go.

FREE backcountry primitive camping on the shore of Queer Lake in the Pigeon Lake Wilderness of New York's ADIRONDACK Forest Preserve (DEC Region 6, between Big Moose and Raquette Lake). This is a DEC-mapped designated primitive tent site ('Queer Lake Designated Campsite [DEC #19404]'), and New York provides it at NO CHARGE: the DEC Pigeon Lake page lists the fee as 'Free' and the unit as open year-round, first-come first-served. It sits about 211 feet from Queer Lake (measured against OpenStreetMap). This is a hike-in: Queer Lake sits deep in the wilderness, reached on foot via the Queer Lake trail network from the Big Moose Road trailheads (confirm current mileage on the DEC page) -- no motor vehicles or bicycles are allowed, so you carry in. COUNT DISCLOSURE: the DEC unit page lists 22 designated primitive tent sites across this wilderness (Big Moose 3, Cascade 3, Chub 1, Constable Pond 1, Mays Pond 1, Queer 3, Raquette 3, Razorback Pond 1, Shallow Lake 3, Windfall Pond 2, Windfall Pond Trail 1) and states the sites 'do not currently appear on the map [but] will be added in the near future.' DEC's GIS has mapped only 6 of the 22 as points so far; this is one of those 6 mapped sites, shipped with a real DEC coordinate. The other 16 sites are real per the DEC page but are not yet mapped, so no pins were invented for them. This is free, first-come Adirondack Forest Preserve backcountry camping in the Pigeon Lake Wilderness -- do NOT confuse it with a reservable fee campground; the nearest paid DEC campgrounds (Brown Tract Pond, Eighth Lake, Golden Beach) are a separate, paid system to the south, and the ONLY fee mentioned on the DEC unit page is a day-use fee for the boat launch inside Brown Tract Pond Campground -- that fee does not apply to these free wilderness sites. SEASON / ACCESS: DEC lists Pigeon Lake Wilderness as open YEAR-ROUND and free, but every site here is reached on foot or by paddle (Wilderness = no motor vehicles and no bicycles) -- trails can be wet, snow-covered or blowdown-blocked and water crossings vary, so confirm current trail, water and site conditions with the DEC Region 6 Herkimer office (315-866-6330) or the unit page before you go, especially in winter or mud season. RULES: no reservation and no fee; camp only at a designated site (look for the round yellow DEC 'Camp Here' marker) or, elsewhere in the wilderness, more than 150 feet from any road, trail or water; a free Forest Ranger permit is required only if you stay more than 3 nights or camp with a group of 10 or more (arrange it through the DEC Region 6 Herkimer Office at (315) 866-6330 (Forest Rangers via 911 or DEC dispatch 1-833-NYS-RANGERS)). This site is around 1958 feet, well below any Adirondack high-elevation camping restriction. These are primitive sites: expect at most a fire ring -- no hookups, no showers and no potable water, so bring water or treat what you take from the lake. Pack out all trash, follow Leave No Trace and the DEC fire rules, and store food from bears (this is black-bear country). Confirm current rules, trail status and this site's status on the DEC page (dec.ny.gov/places/pigeon-lake-wilderness) or with the Herkimer office (315-866-6330) before you go; we have not visited.

USGS topo — contours & terrain
USGS topographic map of Queer Lake Designated Campsite [DEC #19404] (Pigeon Lake Wilderness)
Aerial — USGS / NAIP
Aerial image of Queer Lake Designated Campsite [DEC #19404] (Pigeon Lake Wilderness)
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Active wildfires from NIFC (within ~50 mi); air quality from AirNow. Always confirm current fire restrictions with the managing office before you go.

Everything you need — measured from camp

15 MI30 MI60 MIYOUR CAMPN ↑Water · 4 miWDump · 26 miDFuel · 5 miFKalil's Market · Grocery · 4 miGKinney Drugs · Pharmacy · 11 miRxAce Hardware · Hardware · 4 miHThe Shop · Mechanic · 27 miMLaundry · 3 miLShower · 21 miShAir-up · 52 miAUrgent care · 22 mi+Stillwater Shop · Outfitter · 13 miOEagle Bay Post Office · Mail · 3 mi@
Straight-line miles · bearings approx · roads run longer
Nearest of each
  • LLaundry3 mi
  • @Mail3 mi
  • WWater4 mi
  • HHardware4 mi
  • GGrocery4 mi
  • FFuel5 mi
  • RxPharmacy11 mi
  • OOutfitter13 mi
  • ShShower21 mi
  • +Urgent care22 mi
  • DDump26 mi
  • MMechanic27 mi
  • AAir-up52 mi
≤30 mi30–4545+water

The read: water is basically at camp, fuel & food sit about 4 mi out.

Not within 60 mi: Propane. Plan those before you head up.

One dot per need — the nearest of each kind, straight-line from camp. Places from OpenStreetMap (© OpenStreetMap contributors). Open in Google Maps ↗

The site

Access
Drive-up
Land
New York State Dept. of Environmental Conservation
Elevation
1,959 ft
State
NY
Coordinates
43.81338, -74.80645
Cost
Free

Nearby & resupply (OpenStreetMap)

  • Water featureQueer Lake (water) · nearby
  • Nearest townEagle Bay · ~3.1 mi
  • Drinking waterDrinking water · ~4.3 mi
  • FuelFuel · ~4.7 mi
  • Propane / LPGnone within 31 mi
  • Dump stationDump station · ~25.7 mi
  • GroceriesKalil's Market · ~4.4 mi
  • PharmacyKinney Drugs · ~11.4 mi
  • Hospital / clinicClifton Fine Hospital · ~27.1 mi
  • HardwareAce Hardware - Old Forge Department Store · ~10.9 mi

Nearby restrooms — pit toilets, restrooms & rest areas (government data)

Open this spot elsewhere

Other camps nearby

If this one is full, gated or washed out.

How we know this

Source
NY Dept. of Environmental Conservation
Confidence
Researched — The record is detailed and internally consistent, and the coordinates land where the managing agency says this site is.
How it was placed
NY DEC 'Primitive Campsite' GIS layer (https://gisservices.dec.ny.gov/arcgis/rest/services/dil/dil_land_assets_prm_cmp/MapServer/0), ASSET_UID 19404, NAME verbatim 'Queer Lake Designated Campsite', ASSET='PRIMITIVE TENT SITE', PUBLICUSE='Y', FACILITY='Pigeon Lake Wilderness', REGION 6 (Herkimer office). DESCRIP=''; NOTES blank; ACCESSIBLE='N'. Coordinate is DEC's own point geometry (WGS84), pulled 2026-07-24 via the layer's /query endpoint (outSR=4326). FREE confirmed on dec.ny.gov/places/pigeon-lake-wilderness (Pigeon Lake Wilderness, read 2026-07-24): Fee='Free', open year-round, APSLMP class WILDERNESS; DEC Region 6 Herkimer 315-866-6330. COUNT DISCLOSURE: the DEC unit page lists 22 designated primitive tent sites across this wilderness (Big Moose 3, Cascade 3, Chub 1, Constable Pond 1, Mays Pond 1, Queer 3, Raquette 3, Razorback Pond 1, Shallow Lake 3, Windfall Pond 2, Windfall Pond Trail 1) and states the sites 'do not currently appear on the map [but] will be added in the near future.' DEC's GIS has mapped only 6 of the 22 as points so far; this is one of those 6 mapped sites, shipped with a real DEC coordinate. The other 16 sites are real per the DEC page but are not yet mapped, so no pins were invented for them. HIGH: this site is named both by DEC's GIS 'Primitive Campsite' layer and by the DEC unit page's designated-site list, and its DEC coordinate sits on the shore of its namesake water (Queer Lake) in OpenStreetMap. ACCESS-COST CHECK (guardrail 2): no entry/day-use/parking/launch fee gates the wilderness; NY has no statewide access pass; the only fee on the unit page is a boat-launch day-use fee inside the SEPARATE Brown Tract Pond fee campground (SW of the unit), which does not apply here; no named sub-area access permit; only the standard FREE Forest-Ranger permit for >3 nights or 10+ groups. APSLMP CLASS = WILDERNESS (no motor vehicles or bicycles). ELEVATION 1958 ft (USGS EPQS, 2026-07-24) -- far below any Adirondack high-elevation camping restriction. PAID-NEIGHBOUR GUARD: Brown Tract Pond / Eighth Lake / Golden Beach fee campgrounds bbox-guarded; this site passes. LIVE-CONDITIONS CHECK (DEC unit page, read 2026-07-24): no closure posted. MEASURED GEOMETRY (OpenStreetMap via maps.mail.ru Overpass, 2026-07-24, point-to-nearest-vertex on `out geom`; Big Moose Lake via multipolygon relation 11313376): ~211 ft to Queer Lake, no maintained trail mapped to the pin (see access note). CORROBORATION: the DEC GIS point sits ~211 ft from Queer Lake in OpenStreetMap, and the DEC unit page lists Queer Lake (3 sites) -- GIS name, DEC page list and OSM lake location agree; the nearest OSM-mapped trail segment is about 1.1 miles off (the final spur to this pin is not mapped), so it is a hike-in reached via the Queer Lake trail network from the Big Moose Road side. Plus DEC State Land Camping Rules (dec.ny.gov/things-to-do/camping/state-land-rules): designated-site + 150-foot rule, free Forest Ranger permit for stays over 3 nights or 10+ people. Ingest 2026-07-24.
Field check
Not verified on the ground. Nobody from here has camped it. It stays at Researched until someone does.

What we don’t know

A land record can put you within a few metres of a spot. It cannot tell you any of this — so check it yourself, and treat anything below as the open question it is.

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