Agency-listedUSFS · dispersedFreeRoad season: open (MVUM)
Crystal Creek Rd 4017
Drive-up · U.S. Forest Service · MT · 46.47761, -111.81425
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Ask about this camp →U.S. Forest Service lists this site. On most of their ground you can camp away from developed sites pretty much anywhere — so treat this as a known-good spot, not the only one allowed. The unit sets stay limits and how far off road and water you must be. What changes is conditions — roads, gates, closures, fire rules. Check those with the unit before you commit to the drive.
Nearest road on the Forest Service MVUM — Crystal Creek Rd 4017 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT
The nearest road on the Forest Service MVUM is FR 4017 (Crystal Creek), 80 ft from the pin. The MVUM lists it as crushed aggregate or gravel surface and maintenance level 3 – suitable for passenger cars.
Road season: open (MVUM) The MVUM lists FR 4017 (Crystal Creek), 80 ft from the pin, open to passenger vehicles Sep 1 – Dec 1. That season ends after Dec 1.
MVUM record for FR 4017 (Crystal Creek): “09/01-12/01” Read against the calendar on 2026-09-27; with JavaScript your browser re-checks it against today.
From the Forest Service's own Motor Vehicle Use Map roads layer (EDW, Clearinghouse refresh Aug 30, 2026), straight-line from the pin to the nearest mapped segment. The nearest segment is not necessarily the way in, a maintenance level is the agency's class and not a report on today, and a road's season is the road's — it is not a campground order. What the levels mean → What an MVUM is →
USGS topo — contours & terrain
Aerial — USGS / NAIP
Weather outlook — at Crystal Creek Rd 4017
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Live NWS area forecast (~2.5 km grid, not elevation-corrected). Camp sits at 5,676 ft.
Fire & smoke — around Crystal Creek Rd 4017NIFC · AirNow
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Active wildfires from NIFC (within ~50 mi); air quality from AirNow. Always confirm current fire restrictions with the managing office before you go.
Everything you need — measured from Crystal Creek Rd 4017 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT
▲ your camp. Rings are 15, 30 and 60 straight-line miles; bearings are approximate and roads run longer.
Nearest of each
- FFuel8 mi
- @Mail8 mi
- GGrocery9 mi
- MMechanic9 mi
- +Urgent care10 mi
- HHardware10 mi
- RxPharmacy11 mi
- LLaundry12 mi
- DDump13 mi
- ShShower13 mi
- OOutfitter13 mi
- EVEV fast charger13 mi
- WWater13 mi
- AAir-up47 mi
≤30 mi30–4545+water
The read: water's a short hop out, fuel & food sit about 8 mi out.
Not within 60 mi: Propane. Plan those before you head up.
One dot per need — the nearest of each kind, straight-line from camp. Places from OpenStreetMap (© OpenStreetMap contributors); the EV fast charger from the US DOE station locator. Open in Google Maps ↗
The site — Crystal Creek Rd 4017
Access
Drive-up
Land
U.S. Forest Service · dispersed
Elevation
5,676 ft
Ground slope
11.2% · noticeable
Nearest rail line
~5.2 mi · main line
Nearest highway
~6.7 mi · Interstate 15
State
MT
Coordinates
46.47761, -111.81425
Cost
Free
Nearby & resupply — around Crystal Creek Rd 4017 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT (OpenStreetMap)
- Water featureCrystal Creek · under 0.1 mi · USGS: perennial stream
- Nearest townSpokane Creek · ~5.7 mi
- Nearest rail line~5.2 mi · main line
- Nearest highway~6.7 mi · Interstate 15
- Drinking waternone within 10 mi
- FuelFuel · ~7.5 mi
- Propane / LPGnone within 31 mi
- Dump station~12.6 mi
- GroceriesHeritage Food Store · ~8.8 mi
- PharmacyBergum Drug · ~11.2 mi
- Hospital / clinicFyre Aesthetics · ~10.2 mi
- HardwareTuff Shed · ~10.3 mi
EV charging — from Crystal Creek Rd 4017 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT — nearest public DC fast & Level 2 (US DOE station data)
- Nearest public DC fast charger13.0 mi straight-line NW — L146 DC 2, Helena, MT · ChargePoint Network · CHAdeMO, CCS · 1 fast port listed · listed open, last confirmed by AFDC 2026-09-16 · hours: 24 hours daily · directions
- Public DC fast stations within reach4 within 25 mi · 7 within 50 · 20 within 100 · 33 within 150
- Nearest listing NACS (Tesla)13.4 mi — Helena, MT - Tesla Supercharger, Helena
- Nearest public Level 2 (J1772)10.0 mi — Mountain View Park, Helena, MT · EVGATEWAY · J1772 · 4 Level 2 ports listed · listed open, last confirmed by AFDC 2026-09-16 · hours: 24 hours daily
- Pricing at the fast chargernot listed
- Power (kW)not listed by AFDC — “DC fast” spans roughly 24 to 350 kW, so ask the network.
- Read this honestlyStraight-line miles, like every distance on this site. Roads run longer than this, and you have to get back. We know where a charger is listed. We don’t know if it works today, how fast it is, or the road miles. Check the network before you commit.
Snapshot 2026-09-16 · AFDC record 354437 · US DOE Alternative Fuels Data Center
Nearby restrooms — around Crystal Creek Rd 4017 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT — pit toilets, restrooms & rest areas (government data)
- Vault / pit toiletMahogany Cove Boat In Campground - Single Precast Vault Toilet Building · ~9.9 mi NE · BoR
- Vault / pit toiletCrittenden Day Use Area - Single Precast Vault Toilet Building · ~10.0 mi NE · BoR
- Highway rest areaJefferson City SB · ~10.1 mi SW
- Vault / pit toiletOrchard Day Use Area - Single Precast Vault Toilet Building · ~10.3 mi NE · BoR
Coming out here — Crystal Creek Rd 4017 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT
- Surface water mapped nearby: USGS maps Crystal Creek as a perennial stream, under 0.1 mi from the pin (National Hydrography Dataset, data refreshed October 2022). Mapped as perennial is not the same as flowing today. Nobody has checked it for you. Filter or boil anything you drink.
- Ground slope around the pin: about 11.2% — noticeable. Measured on USGS's 3DEP elevation model (10 m data here), sampled every 10 metres around the point. That is the hillside, not the ground under your wheels — a graded pullout or a bench a few metres across is too small to show up at that spacing, and nobody has checked this one for you.
- Rail line mapped ~5.2 mi from the pin — the national rail atlas classes it as a main line. That is the FRA/BTS North American Rail Network (data updated Jul 21, 2026), which records that a line is there and what class of track it is. Whether anything runs on it, how often, and at what hour, it does not say, and nobody has checked this one for you.
- Interstate 15 is mapped ~6.7 mi from the pin. Straight-line, from the Census's TIGER/Line primary roads (TIGER/Line 2025, released Oct 2025) — the divided, limited-access highways, which is why a state expressway or a two-lane US route near this camp would not appear here.
- Assume no services at all. Most dispersed camping in a national forest has none: no tap, no power, no dump, often no toilet. Everything you need, you bring.
- Practice a first night on real ground in Dispersed 3D, free in the browser. The game's ground is Montana's Lolo, Custer Gallatin and Beaverhead-Deerlodge forests and the Arizona desert at Quartzsite; this camp is not in it.
- Power: Dave carries his own — batteries or solar. A generator will run your rig and it is also the thing everybody camped near you can hear.
- Getting online: Dave recommends Starlink. He has had it since SpaceX introduced it, used it for four years living on the road, and it delivers as promised — several hundred nights out, and he can count on one hand the places he could not connect. The cable on his unit runs 150 feet, which is usually all it takes to find enough sky. Starlink → Referral link — Starlink pays Dave $100 in cash if you sign up through it, and that money funds this site and the next trip. It costs you nothing and does not change the recommendation.
Open Crystal Creek Rd 4017 elsewhere
Other camps near Crystal Creek Rd 4017
If this one is full, gated or washed out.
- Crystal Creek Rd 4017 004~0.1 mi
- Crystal Creek Rd 4017 001G~2.3 mi
- Mcclellan Creek Rd 294 008A~2.3 mi
- Crystal Creek Rd 4017 001D~2.3 mi
The unit that manages Crystal Creek Rd 4017
Stay limits, road closures and fire restrictions at Crystal Creek Rd 4017 are set by Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest, not by the campsite — check there before you go.
Snow, and when this opens
The nearest automatic snow station is Tizer Basin at 6,880 ft, about 9 miles away. It sits about 1,204 ft higher than this camp, so treat it as a guide rather than a reading for this spot. We do not repeat a depth here, because any number we stored would be stale by the time you read it — the station publishes today's.
How we know this — Crystal Creek Rd 4017
Source
U.S. Forest Service recreation data
Confidence
Likely — The record is good enough to put a pin on, but thin in places. Treat the details as a starting point, not gospel.
How it was placed
USFS/BLM authoritative: free & dispersed. Access not field-checked (assumed drive-up).
Nearest MVUM road
US Forest Service Motor Vehicle Use Map roads layer (EDW_MVUM_01, layer 1), Clearinghouse refresh Aug 30, 2026. Straight-line distance from the pin to the nearest mapped segment within 1 mi; surface type, maintenance level and open dates are the agency's own values for that segment, expanded from its codes and otherwise unedited. Nothing here says which road reaches the site.
EV chargers
US DOE Alternative Fuels Data Center station locator, snapshot 2026-09-16. Straight-line miles to the nearest public, open, unrestricted station; restricted and planned units are shown but never counted.
Field check
On the agency's books. The land manager inventoried this site, so its existence is not in question — current conditions are. Nobody from here has camped it recently.
What we don’t know about Crystal Creek Rd 4017
A land record can put you within a few meters of a spot. It cannot tell you any of this — so check it yourself, and treat anything below as the open question it is.
- Whether that MVUM road is the way in, and the last stretch beyond it
- Whether the site itself closes on its own schedule — only the road's season is on record
- How many rigs actually fit
- Cell coverage by carrier
- Current fire restrictions
- Whether any water here is drinkable
- Shade & wind exposure
- Noise and who else shows up
- Whether a listed EV charger works today, or the road miles to it
Before you go — Crystal Creek Rd 4017
Finding water out here →What “dispersed” means here →Forest road numbers →First-night troubleshooting →All field notes →