Agency-listedUSFS · dispersedFreeRoad season: open (MVUM)
Upper Lightning -7
Drive-up · U.S. Forest Service · ID · 48.36996, -116.16942
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Ask about this camp →U.S. Forest Service lists this site. On most of their ground you can camp away from developed sites pretty much anywhere — so treat this as a known-good spot, not the only one allowed. The unit sets stay limits and how far off road and water you must be. What changes is conditions — roads, gates, closures, fire rules. Check those with the unit before you commit to the drive.
Nearest road on the Forest Service MVUM — Upper Lightning -7 · Idaho Panhandle National Forests · ID
The nearest road on the Forest Service MVUM is FR 419 (Lightning Creek), 140 ft from the pin. The MVUM lists it as native material surface and maintenance level 2 – high-clearance vehicles.
Road season: open (MVUM) The MVUM lists FR 419 (Lightning Creek), 140 ft from the pin, open to passenger vehicles year-round.
MVUM record for FR 419 (Lightning Creek): “01/01-12/31” Read against the calendar on 2026-09-22; with JavaScript your browser re-checks it against today.
From the Forest Service's own Motor Vehicle Use Map roads layer (EDW, Clearinghouse refresh Aug 30, 2026), straight-line from the pin to the nearest mapped segment. The nearest segment is not necessarily the way in, a maintenance level is the agency's class and not a report on today, and a road's season is the road's — it is not a campground order. What the levels mean → What an MVUM is →
USGS topo — contours & terrain
Aerial — USGS / NAIP
Weather outlook — at Upper Lightning -7
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Live NWS area forecast (~2.5 km grid, not elevation-corrected). Camp sits at 4,367 ft.
Fire & smoke — around Upper Lightning -7NIFC · AirNow
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Active wildfires from NIFC (within ~50 mi); air quality from AirNow. Always confirm current fire restrictions with the managing office before you go.
Everything you need — measured from Upper Lightning -7 · Idaho Panhandle National Forests · ID
▲ your camp. Rings are 15, 30 and 60 straight-line miles; bearings are approximate and roads run longer.
Nearest of each
- FFuel11 mi
- GGrocery11 mi
- HHardware14 mi
- @Mail14 mi
- MMechanic16 mi
- OOutfitter18 mi
- +Urgent care18 mi
- EVEV fast charger18 mi
- RxPharmacy19 mi
- LLaundry23 mi
- WWater26 mi
- DDump34 mi
- ShShower42 mi
- PPropane56 mi
≤30 mi30–4545+water
The read: water is a real 26-mi drive, fuel & food sit about 11 mi out.
One dot per need — the nearest of each kind, straight-line from camp. Places from OpenStreetMap (© OpenStreetMap contributors); the EV fast charger from the US DOE station locator. Open in Google Maps ↗
The site — Upper Lightning -7
Access
Drive-up
Land
U.S. Forest Service · dispersed
Elevation
4,367 ft
Ground slope
4.8% · gentle
State
ID
Coordinates
48.36996, -116.16942
Cost
Free
Nearby & resupply — around Upper Lightning -7 · Idaho Panhandle National Forests · ID (OpenStreetMap)
- Water featureLunch Creek · ~0.1 mi · USGS: perennial stream
- Also mapped (OSM)Quartz Creek (stream) · mapped within 1.6 mi
- Nearest townHope · ~10.6 mi
- Rail & highwaynone mapped within 10 mi
- Drinking waternone within 10 mi
- FuelChevron · ~15.4 mi
- Propane / LPGnone within 31 mi
- GroceriesPack River General Store · ~11.0 mi
- PharmacyNorthwest CHC Pharmacy (Highway 2) · ~28.5 mi
- Hospital / clinicFamily Health Center · ~18.6 mi
- HardwareTrue Value · ~14.1 mi
EV charging — from Upper Lightning -7 · Idaho Panhandle National Forests · ID — nearest public DC fast & Level 2 (US DOE station data)
- Nearest public DC fast charger17.8 mi straight-line W — TAYLOR & SONS CHEVROLET, Ponderay, ID · EV Connect · CCS · 2 fast ports listed · listed open, last confirmed by AFDC 2026-09-16 · hours: 24 hours daily · directions
- Public DC fast stations within reach3 within 25 mi · 4 within 50 · 59 within 100 · 87 within 150
- Nearest listing NACS (Tesla)54.0 mi — Coeur d'Alene, ID - Tesla Supercharger, Coeur d'Alene
- Nearest listing CHAdeMO23.5 mi — V.C. STATION BF FAST CHARGER, Bonners Ferry
- Nearest public Level 2 (J1772)17.8 mi — Best Western Plus, Ponderay, ID (at a hotel) · Non-Networked · J1772 · 1 Level 2 port listed · listed open, last confirmed by AFDC 2025-11-13 · hours: 24 hours daily
- Also listed, not counted aboveLevel 2, restricted access — Kootenai River Outfitters Lodge and Cabins, Troy, 15.2 mi · J1772 · hours: 24 hours daily; for guests use only · AFDC lists it “Free”
- Pricing at the fast chargernot listed
- Power (kW)not listed by AFDC — “DC fast” spans roughly 24 to 350 kW, so ask the network.
- Read this honestlyStraight-line miles, like every distance on this site. Roads run longer than this, and you have to get back. We know where a charger is listed. We don’t know if it works today, how fast it is, or the road miles. Check the network before you commit.
Snapshot 2026-09-16 · AFDC record 302440 · US DOE Alternative Fuels Data Center
Nearby restrooms — around Upper Lightning -7 · Idaho Panhandle National Forests · ID — pit toilets, restrooms & rest areas (government data)
- Vault / pit toiletLunch Peak Lookout · ~1.2 mi W · USFS
- Vault / pit toiletKeeler Snowmobile Shelter · ~5.7 mi SE · USFS
- Flush restroomSam Owen · ~11.6 mi SW · USFS
- Flush restroomSam Owen · ~11.8 mi SW · USFS
Coming out here — Upper Lightning -7 · Idaho Panhandle National Forests · ID
- Surface water mapped nearby: USGS maps Lunch Creek as a perennial stream, ~0.1 mi from the pin (National Hydrography Dataset, data refreshed October 2022). Mapped as perennial is not the same as flowing today. Nobody has checked it for you. Filter or boil anything you drink.
- Ground slope around the pin: about 4.8% — gentle. Measured on USGS's 3DEP elevation model (1 m data here), sampled every 10 metres around the point. That is the hillside, not the ground under your wheels — a graded pullout or a bench a few metres across is too small to show up at that spacing, and nobody has checked this one for you.
- No rail line and no interstate or US route is mapped within 10 mi of the pin. Checked against the FRA/BTS North American Rail Network (data updated Jul 21, 2026) and the Census's TIGER/Line primary roads (TIGER/Line 2025, released Oct 2025). Both are national files and both are maps of what is built, not counts of what moves on it.
- Assume no services at all. Most dispersed camping in a national forest has none: no tap, no power, no dump, often no toilet. Everything you need, you bring.
- Power: Dave carries his own — batteries or solar. A generator will run your rig and it is also the thing everybody camped near you can hear.
- Getting online: Dave recommends Starlink. He has had it since SpaceX introduced it, used it for four years living on the road, and it delivers as promised — several hundred nights out, and he can count on one hand the places he could not connect. The cable on his unit runs 150 feet, which is usually all it takes to find enough sky. Starlink → Referral link — Starlink pays Dave $100 in cash if you sign up through it, and that money funds this site and the next trip. It costs you nothing and does not change the recommendation.
Open Upper Lightning -7 elsewhere
Other camps near Upper Lightning -7
If this one is full, gated or washed out.
- Upper Lightning -6~0.1 mi
- Upper Lightning -4B~0.3 mi
- Upper Lightning -10~0.7 mi
- Upper Lightning -5A~0.7 mi
The unit that manages Upper Lightning -7
Stay limits, road closures and fire restrictions at Upper Lightning -7 are set by Idaho Panhandle National Forests, not by the campsite — check there before you go.
Snow, and when this opens
The nearest automatic snow station is Bear Mountain at 5,460 ft, about 6 miles away. It sits about 1,093 ft higher than this camp, so treat it as a guide rather than a reading for this spot. We do not repeat a depth here, because any number we stored would be stale by the time you read it — the station publishes today's.
How we know this — Upper Lightning -7
Source
U.S. Forest Service recreation data
Confidence
Likely — The record is good enough to put a pin on, but thin in places. Treat the details as a starting point, not gospel.
How it was placed
USFS/BLM authoritative: free & dispersed. Access not field-checked (assumed drive-up).
Nearest MVUM road
US Forest Service Motor Vehicle Use Map roads layer (EDW_MVUM_01, layer 1), Clearinghouse refresh Aug 30, 2026. Straight-line distance from the pin to the nearest mapped segment within 1 mi; surface type, maintenance level and open dates are the agency's own values for that segment, expanded from its codes and otherwise unedited. Nothing here says which road reaches the site.
EV chargers
US DOE Alternative Fuels Data Center station locator, snapshot 2026-09-16. Straight-line miles to the nearest public, open, unrestricted station; restricted and planned units are shown but never counted.
Field check
On the agency's books. The land manager inventoried this site, so its existence is not in question — current conditions are. Nobody from here has camped it recently.
What we don’t know about Upper Lightning -7
A land record can put you within a few meters of a spot. It cannot tell you any of this — so check it yourself, and treat anything below as the open question it is.
- Whether that MVUM road is the way in, and the last stretch beyond it
- Whether the site itself closes on its own schedule — only the road's season is on record
- How many rigs actually fit
- Cell coverage by carrier
- Current fire restrictions
- Whether any water here is drinkable
- Shade & wind exposure
- Noise and who else shows up
- Whether a listed EV charger works today, or the road miles to it
Before you go — Upper Lightning -7
Finding water out here →What “dispersed” means here →Forest road numbers →Picking a spot →All field notes →