Agency-listedUSFS · dispersedFree
Blacktail Rd 4171 005
Drive-up · U.S. Forest Service · MT · 46.59115, -111.34214
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Ask about this camp →U.S. Forest Service lists this site. On most of their ground you can camp away from developed sites pretty much anywhere — so treat this as a known-good spot, not the only one allowed. The unit sets stay limits and how far off road and water you must be. What changes is conditions — roads, gates, closures, fire rules. Check those with the unit before you commit to the drive.
Nearest road on the Forest Service MVUM — Blacktail Rd 4171 005 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT
No MVUM road within a quarter mile of the pin; the nearest mapped segment is FR 4171 (Blacktail 4171), 0.7 mi away. Access may be a county road or unmapped.
From the Forest Service's own Motor Vehicle Use Map roads layer (EDW, Clearinghouse refresh Aug 30, 2026), straight-line from the pin to the nearest mapped segment. The nearest segment is not necessarily the way in, a maintenance level is the agency's class and not a report on today, and a road's season is the road's — it is not a campground order. What the levels mean → What an MVUM is →
USGS topo — contours & terrain
Aerial — USGS / NAIP
Weather outlook — at Blacktail Rd 4171 005
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Live NWS area forecast (~2.5 km grid, not elevation-corrected). Camp sits at the elevation shown above.
Fire & smoke — around Blacktail Rd 4171 005NIFC · AirNow
Checking active fires & air quality…
Active wildfires from NIFC (within ~50 mi); air quality from AirNow. Always confirm current fire restrictions with the managing office before you go.
Everything you need — measured from Blacktail Rd 4171 005 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT
▲ your camp. Rings are 15, 30 and 60 straight-line miles; bearings are approximate and roads run longer.
Nearest of each
- ShShower11 mi
- DDump11 mi
- GGrocery11 mi
- FFuel17 mi
- @Mail20 mi
- HHardware21 mi
- LLaundry21 mi
- RxPharmacy21 mi
- MMechanic27 mi
- +Urgent care30 mi
- OOutfitter32 mi
- EVEV fast charger32 mi
- WWater33 mi
≤30 mi30–4545+water
The read: water is a real 33-mi drive, fuel & food sit about 11 mi out, the nearest EV fast charger is a 32-mi run (and back).
Not within 60 mi: Propane. Plan those before you head up.
One dot per need — the nearest of each kind, straight-line from camp. Places from OpenStreetMap (© OpenStreetMap contributors); the EV fast charger from the US DOE station locator. Open in Google Maps ↗
The site — Blacktail Rd 4171 005
Access
Drive-up
Land
U.S. Forest Service · dispersed
Ground slope
22.3% · steep
State
MT
Coordinates
46.59115, -111.34214
Cost
Free
Nearby & resupply — around Blacktail Rd 4171 005 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT (OpenStreetMap)
- Water featureBlacktail Creek · ~0.2 mi · USGS: intermittent stream
- Nearest townDiamond City · ~3.9 mi
- Rail & highwaynone mapped within 10 mi
- Drinking waternone within 10 mi
- FuelFuel · ~16.9 mi
- Propane / LPGnone within 31 mi
- Dump station~11.1 mi
- GroceriesTown Pump · ~20.5 mi
- PharmacyCastle Mountain Drug · ~21.1 mi
- Hospital / clinicBillings Clinic Broadwater · ~20.4 mi
- HardwareHardware Hanke · ~20.6 mi
EV charging — from Blacktail Rd 4171 005 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT — nearest public DC fast & Level 2 (US DOE station data)
- Nearest public DC fast charger31.7 mi straight-line W — Helena, MT - Tesla Supercharger (at a grocery store) · Tesla · NACS (Tesla) · 8 fast ports listed · listed open, last confirmed by AFDC 2026-06-18 · hours: 24 hours daily. NACS partner enabled. · directions
- Public DC fast stations within reachnone within 25 mi · 4 within 50 · 20 within 100 · 39 within 150
- Nearest listing CCS31.9 mi — L146 DC 2, Helena
- Nearest listing CHAdeMO31.9 mi — L146 DC 2, Helena
- Nearest public Level 2 (J1772)17.2 mi — Silos's Junction - Tesla Destination, Townsend, MT · Tesla Destination · J1772, NACS (Tesla) · 2 Level 2 ports listed · listed open, last confirmed by AFDC 2026-08-27 · hours: 24 hours daily. Open to all vehicles.
- Pricing at the fast chargernot listed
- Power (kW)not listed by AFDC — “DC fast” spans roughly 24 to 350 kW, so ask the network.
- Read this honestlyStraight-line miles, like every distance on this site. Roads run longer than this, and you have to get back. We know where a charger is listed. We don’t know if it works today, how fast it is, or the road miles. Check the network before you commit.
Snapshot 2026-09-16 · AFDC record 163997 · US DOE Alternative Fuels Data Center
Nearby restrooms — around Blacktail Rd 4171 005 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT — pit toilets, restrooms & rest areas (government data)
- Vault / pit toiletThompson Sta. · ~7.9 mi SE · USFS
- Vault / pit toiletGipsy Lake Day Use Area · ~8.6 mi SE · USFS
- Vault / pit toiletGipsy Lake Campground · ~8.8 mi SE · USFS
- Vault / pit toiletConfederate Campground - Single Precast Vault Toilet Building · ~11.2 mi SW · BoR
Coming out here — Blacktail Rd 4171 005 · Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest · MT
- Surface water mapped nearby: USGS maps Blacktail Creek as an intermittent stream, ~0.2 mi from the pin (National Hydrography Dataset, data refreshed October 2022). Mapped as intermittent — expect it dry for part of the year. Nobody has checked it for you. Filter or boil anything you drink.
- Ground slope around the pin: about 22.3% — steep. Measured on USGS's 3DEP elevation model (1 m data here), sampled every 10 metres around the point. That is the hillside, not the ground under your wheels — a graded pullout or a bench a few metres across is too small to show up at that spacing, and nobody has checked this one for you.
- No rail line and no interstate or US route is mapped within 10 mi of the pin. Checked against the FRA/BTS North American Rail Network (data updated Jul 21, 2026) and the Census's TIGER/Line primary roads (TIGER/Line 2025, released Oct 2025). Both are national files and both are maps of what is built, not counts of what moves on it.
- Assume no services at all. Most dispersed camping in a national forest has none: no tap, no power, no dump, often no toilet. Everything you need, you bring.
- Power: Dave carries his own — batteries or solar. A generator will run your rig and it is also the thing everybody camped near you can hear.
- Getting online: Dave recommends Starlink. He has had it since SpaceX introduced it, used it for four years living on the road, and it delivers as promised — several hundred nights out, and he can count on one hand the places he could not connect. The cable on his unit runs 150 feet, which is usually all it takes to find enough sky. Starlink → Referral link — Starlink pays Dave $100 in cash if you sign up through it, and that money funds this site and the next trip. It costs you nothing and does not change the recommendation.
Open Blacktail Rd 4171 005 elsewhere
Other camps near Blacktail Rd 4171 005
If this one is full, gated or washed out.
- Blacktail Rd 4171 004~0.9 mi
- Blacktail Rd 4171 006~1.2 mi
- Blacktail Rd 4171 008~1.5 mi
- Blacktail Rd 4171 007~1.7 mi
The unit that manages Blacktail Rd 4171 005
Stay limits, road closures and fire restrictions at Blacktail Rd 4171 005 are set by Helena-Lewis and Clark National Forest, not by the campsite — check there before you go.
Snow, and when this opens
The nearest automatic snow station is Boulder Mountain at 7,890 ft, about 3 miles away. We do not repeat a depth here, because any number we stored would be stale by the time you read it — the station publishes today's.
How we know this — Blacktail Rd 4171 005
Source
U.S. Forest Service recreation data
Confidence
Likely — The record is good enough to put a pin on, but thin in places. Treat the details as a starting point, not gospel.
How it was placed
USFS/BLM authoritative: free & dispersed. Access not field-checked (assumed drive-up).
Nearest MVUM road
US Forest Service Motor Vehicle Use Map roads layer (EDW_MVUM_01, layer 1), Clearinghouse refresh Aug 30, 2026. Straight-line distance from the pin to the nearest mapped segment within 1 mi; surface type, maintenance level and open dates are the agency's own values for that segment, expanded from its codes and otherwise unedited. Nothing here says which road reaches the site.
EV chargers
US DOE Alternative Fuels Data Center station locator, snapshot 2026-09-16. Straight-line miles to the nearest public, open, unrestricted station; restricted and planned units are shown but never counted.
Field check
On the agency's books. The land manager inventoried this site, so its existence is not in question — current conditions are. Nobody from here has camped it recently.
What we don’t know about Blacktail Rd 4171 005
A land record can put you within a few meters of a spot. It cannot tell you any of this — so check it yourself, and treat anything below as the open question it is.
- Road surface & last-mile access
- How many rigs actually fit
- Cell coverage by carrier
- Seasonal & winter access
- Current fire restrictions
- Whether any water here is drinkable
- Shade & wind exposure
- Noise and who else shows up
- Whether a listed EV charger works today, or the road miles to it
Before you go — Blacktail Rd 4171 005
Water on public land →What “dispersed” means here →Forest road numbers →Power off-grid →All field notes →